Anyone Know How to Determine if the Hellcat Made a Speed Record?

[2ndAmend]

I have been doing searches on what was the best top speed of a HC in stock configuration with Factory Authorized DC Stage 2, but have not found very much.

I am wondering how my recent 204.980 rates compared to others in unmodified config (other than DCS2).

Anyone have any ideas on how to find who has gone faster?

I expect people have, I just have not found any on line. Advice appreciated.

Thanks!

 

[2ndAmend]

 

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[2ndAmend]

I have heard from the owner of the 211mph 2018 Demon, "Hellcamac2015" in the "other" forum. He says he only changed the front and rear tires, and used the Demon Race PCU to achieve 211. It was on a slightly longer runway. I requested his speed at 1mi and 1.5mi and waiting for the reply.

 

[BULL]

My .02

While I like/respect the question, it really is a can of worms.

There, at one point, were even arguments between sanctioning bodies about the legitimacy of timing methods between each other.

My further .02 is that about the only comparable speeds are at the same event, on the same year, even date.

Even ignoring different timing methods (trap average based on WHICH light positions - there are at least THREE variations), distance determination methods, starting tree allowances, etc etc etc

Weather (hewuge differences in DA, even morning to mid-afternoon), tail/head wind, which make also a hewuge difference in trap

If you want to compare full MPH numbers, or even comparing 205 vs 210, thats reasonable in my mind, but comparing 205.01 vs 205.99...

Don't burn the calories...

 

[2ndAmend]

My .02

While I like/respect the question, it really is a can of worms.

There, at one point, were even arguments between sanctioning bodies about the legitimacy of timing methods between each other.

My further .02 is that about the only comparable speeds are at the same event, on the same year, even date.

Even ignoring different timing methods (trap average based on WHICH light positions - there are at least THREE variations), distance determination methods, starting tree allowances, etc etc etc

Weather (hewuge differences in DA, even morning to mid-afternoon), tail/head wind, which make also a hewuge difference in trap

If you want to compare full MPH numbers, or even comparing 205 vs 210, thats reasonable in my mind, but comparing 205.01 vs 205.99...

Don't burn the calories...

Hey Bull, we all know that almost everything posted on the internet is BS. We watch infinite videos showing the best of something but under unknown conditions, circumstances, supervision and affiliation…

The owner of the yellow 2018 Demon that did 211 on youtube recently posted that his 1mi speed was 180 and he did not have the 1.5mi speed.

I believe I might have the record for the 1mi, 1.5mi, and 2km (for our metric friends). I don't intend to make unsubstantiated claims but my speeds are documented, and I spent many hours searching and posting looking/asking for faster speeds and have found/heard nothing.

Please, if anyone finds anything please post it.

Bonneville and Loring are the big guys in Land Speed, so I believe the timing is beyond reproach.

Let me know if you have doubts and I will attempt to provide substantiation to alleviate.

Thanks for keeping everyone on their toes!

 

[2ndAmend]

For the record:

 

[BULL]

Hey Bull, we all know that almost everything posted on the internet is BS. We watch infinite videos showing the best of something but under unknown conditions, circumstances, supervision and affiliation…

The owner of the yellow 2018 Demon that did 211 on youtube recently posted that his 1mi speed was 180 and he did not have the 1.5mi speed.

I believe I might have the record for the 1mi, 1.5mi, and 2km (for our metric friends). I don't intend to make unsubstantiated claims but my speeds are documented, and I spent many hours searching and posting looking/asking for faster speeds and have found/heard nothing.

Please, if anyone finds anything please post it.

Bonneville and Loring are the big guys in Land Speed, so I believe the timing is beyond reproach.

Let me know if you have doubts and I will attempt to provide substantiation to alleviate.

Thanks for keeping everyone on their toes!

Just, and only just, a couple of questions...


Where were their timing trap lights located relative to the 1mile mark?

Before and at?
Before and after?
At and after?

Spacing?

How was 1mile distance determined?

How strictly was the start controlled?

These are some of the debates I've seen, not everyone does this the same.


Not meant as anything but food for thought

 

[vortecd]

You could be the only one with the DC 2 doing that

 

[Linda's Hell Cat]

@2ndAmend All you need to do is claim the record on here and there.

2 things will happen 1 if someone has beat it, they will come out of the woodwork and let you know.

Or you will have people challenge you, after all, records are made to be broken


~Linda

 

[BULL]

What, if any, DA correction factor do we get to use?

 

[BULL]

2016 M6 Hellcat 707hp

Altitude corrected speed 185.7mph

 

[Old Mopar Guy]

Killer run no matter! I’ve really got to get up there for that fun one of these years.

 

[BULL]

Killer run no matter! I’ve really got to get up there for that fun one of these years.

Agreed

 

[2ndAmend]

2016 M6 Hellcat 707hp

Altitude corrected speed 185.7mph

Thanks again Bull for all the info. I always thought the speed records at the dragway were what they were, regardless of DA, wind, whatever, correct me if I am wrong.

Bonneville and Loring the same way. If we start "correcting", do we then go back and change historical records? Redistribute trophys? Does this apply to ICE racing only or to all sports?

There is a quote from one of the Firesign Theater routines, "Everything you know is wrong!". I'm starting to feel that way...

 

[2ndAmend]

I pulled this quote from the LTA FB page today:

https://www.facebook.com/loringtiming/

Marcia has been at every LTA event since I have been going. She and her husband drive from PA to Loring and Bonneville every year often with multiple cars in tow. They are some of the nicest people you ever want to meet.


Marcia Barker
I've had the luck and privilege to race on some amazing tracks. Bonneville, Indianapolis Motor Speedway, the Coatesville Grand Prix, and Indianapolis Raceway Park.
I've been fortunate enough to race on tracks that have been closed for decades like Arundel, Latimore Valley and Circle M Speedway. Fun, unique tracks like Path Valley and South Mountain Dragway.
Landspeed racing is my favorite kind of racing. One car at a time, go as fast as you can go. Loring has consistent conditions, taking traction out of the equation when preparing for Bonneville. At Loring I can make as many runs as I need. At Bonneville you're lucky to get 2 runs a day.
Loring has to be my favorite track.

 

[BULL]

Thanks again Bull for all the info. I always thought the speed records at the dragway were what they were, regardless of DA, wind, whatever, correct me if I am wrong.

Bonneville and Loring the same way. If we start "correcting", do we then go back and change historical records? Redistribute trophys? Does this apply to ICE racing only or to all sports?

There is a quote from one of the Firesign Theater routines, "Everything you know is wrong!". I'm starting to feel that way...

Nope, no changing history, correction factors (my understanding) are just a way to compare, not win or lose.

As for my speed at the Colorado Mile, while I won't claim a "record", it's one of the faster stock HC traps at the Colorado Mile , to include Chargers, which we all hate to admit are more aerodynamic... @vortecd But in this particular case, not quite as fast as my Challenger by about ~2mph.

Now if I had an RE, and a DC power mod, then I'd be in your realm...

 

[covidcommander]

seems like 205 for a charger is the top speed, but that seems to be based on the speedometer not actual professional timing equipment

 

[BULL]

We used to have TWO top speeds, one for the Challenger, and one for the Charger.

Now we have HC and RE, standard and WB, 707, 717, 807, 840, Demon and Demon170hp

You need a damn spreadsheet just to track what is what.

 

[Unholy707]

If you have the slip that’s the time your ran, that’s racing